I adore plush Cthulhu! Almost as much as I adore plush Strep XD
There are so many things to love about Life's Marionette; the trailer trash!Wolfwood is a major bonus. And the Mary Sue that nobody bothers to kick out of the house for no obvious reason - you wondering why the author picked 'comedy' as one of the labels yet? But comedy was funny the last I heard....
Please tell me I was reading it wrong, because I could've sworn that, in the 3rd chapter, the hint was being given that Knive's was actually the kid's father, not Wolfwood.
Blergh, now you just made me read it again! Hard to say after the Exposition Fairy Sue went to such trouble in part two to explain how Vash could breed with humans. Could be the author planned on going that way as a twist. Yay.
If Wolfwood got any more OOC, he'd explode.
It's the bit where he hadn't noticed Vash had a belly like a whale and was just relieved that Vash hadn't lost interest in him sexually that really gets me!
I think the author's confused random stupidity with humor. You see a lot of that on fanfiction.net.
Sadly, yes you do.
I had my rant on 'OMG Wolfwood's not dead' fics elsewhere just last week. You're not expecting too much of fanfiction - the best of it will meet and occasionally exceed your expectations. You may be expecting too much of thirteen-year-old girls, though ;-)
Truth to tell, the seme/uke thing never fails to piss me off. I came into Trigun from writing tv/movie slash, and I just can't understand the obsession with one character always being the top and the other always being the bottom.
That's another of my big red yaoi buttons, right there. If the relationship dynamic is always one way, if there's always one guy dishing it out and the other taking it, in bed and out, how is that supposed to be interesting? What fascinates me is a relationship of equals, with both men forced to compromise and willing to do it for one another. Yaoi needs a lot more switching, IMO, both in the manga and in the fics. It is happening, the hunky seme/wide-eyed diminuitive uke formula being broken more often, but it's slow.
Don't even get me started on the random fangirl Japansese. Apparently, they must've seen a different copy of the DVD than I did, because I don't recall anyone using Japanese phrases.
*grin* They use nothing else in my DVDs, but then I've never watched more than 5 minutes of a dub! But yeah, I think it makes more sense to anglicise it to Master Knives or something, given the setting and Nightow's statements that they're supposed to be speaking English.
Ah. My version is in English (though I think the menu allows you to listen to it in Japanese with subtitles)
Oh, yeah, so are my DVDs and I take the Japanese option. I generally avoid dubs on principle, because with the original language I feel I'm getting something closer to what the creator intended, rather than with another layer of interpretation from voice actors in between. Having seen what CN did to Gundam Wing with the dubs, I know how very differently the same scene can be played depending on the intonation. Plus, I saw Trigun as fansubs originally before I bought the DVDs and listening to it in English just feels wrong. And then there's the not inconsiderable point that Hayami Shou (Wolfwood) has one of the sexiest voices ever, and I'm such a voice whore. (Listen to 'Goodbye for Now' in Japanese, especially the scenes where Vash strips and Wolfwood tells Lina it's not her fault, and the later scene where he's trying to persuade Vash to go with him. He has this perfect degree of slight roughness to his voice like he's breathing through all the words. Pretty much my definition of audio sex *g*) Dub Wolfwood the bland tenor just does not cut it!
Japan has a lot of distinct regional dialects - it's more like England than the US in that you can travel from one city to another just 30 miles away and find obvious differences. Wolfwood speaks Kansai-ben, from western Japan, specifically the Osaka variant. It is a distinct accent in the pronunciation, I believe, but I don't have enough of an ear in Japanese to be able to pick that up myself. But like most regional dialects, it's not just the pronunciation - Kansai-ben uses words and phrases that standard Japanese doesn't, and has variations in the way sentences are structured and grammar is used. It's very slang-filled, which makes translating him something of a nightmare for me! Wolfwood speaks Kansai-ben in the manga, which is why they kept him that way for the anime.
Because of the strong yakuza associations with Osaka, the dialect carries certain connotations of gangsters - it would be kind of like making him a Sicilian, I guess. In England, he'd be something like a Cockney, with its overtones of East End gangsters. In fact Cockney works very well as a comparison, because of course the other association with Cockney speak is as a comic relief character, and Kansai-ben is used for that too. So when Wolfwood shows up speaking Kansai-ben and acting like an idiot, you can either take him at face value and assume he's more of the Trigun silliness, or you can start looking for the more sinister side to him. The accent's a way of dropping hints.
Ack. I mean, those are just awful. Don't think I've seen Vash as a kid with adult Wolfwood before. The other way round is fairly common.
I've never been impressed with anything by Urban Knights. Their yaoi Vash looks consistently all frail, pretty and 'Oh, Wolfwood!' from the scans on ebay, and the one book of theirs I ended up with from a batch buy was indeed like that. I'm not too surprised to see them producing other nauseating stuff.
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Date: 2005-02-12 10:05 pm (UTC)There are so many things to love about Life's Marionette; the trailer trash!Wolfwood is a major bonus. And the Mary Sue that nobody bothers to kick out of the house for no obvious reason - you wondering why the author picked 'comedy' as one of the labels yet? But comedy was funny the last I heard....
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Date: 2005-02-13 10:14 am (UTC)Blergh, now you just made me read it again! Hard to say after the Exposition Fairy Sue went to such trouble in part two to explain how Vash could breed with humans. Could be the author planned on going that way as a twist. Yay.
If Wolfwood got any more OOC, he'd explode.
It's the bit where he hadn't noticed Vash had a belly like a whale and was just relieved that Vash hadn't lost interest in him sexually that really gets me!
I think the author's confused random stupidity with humor. You see a lot of that on fanfiction.net.
Sadly, yes you do.
I had my rant on 'OMG Wolfwood's not dead' fics elsewhere just last week. You're not expecting too much of fanfiction - the best of it will meet and occasionally exceed your expectations. You may be expecting too much of thirteen-year-old girls, though ;-)
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Date: 2005-02-13 01:20 pm (UTC)That's another of my big red yaoi buttons, right there. If the relationship dynamic is always one way, if there's always one guy dishing it out and the other taking it, in bed and out, how is that supposed to be interesting? What fascinates me is a relationship of equals, with both men forced to compromise and willing to do it for one another. Yaoi needs a lot more switching, IMO, both in the manga and in the fics. It is happening, the hunky seme/wide-eyed diminuitive uke formula being broken more often, but it's slow.
Don't even get me started on the random fangirl Japansese. Apparently, they must've seen a different copy of the DVD than I did, because I don't recall anyone using Japanese phrases.
*grin* They use nothing else in my DVDs, but then I've never watched more than 5 minutes of a dub! But yeah, I think it makes more sense to anglicise it to Master Knives or something, given the setting and Nightow's statements that they're supposed to be speaking English.
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Date: 2005-02-13 05:50 pm (UTC)Oh, yeah, so are my DVDs and I take the Japanese option. I generally avoid dubs on principle, because with the original language I feel I'm getting something closer to what the creator intended, rather than with another layer of interpretation from voice actors in between. Having seen what CN did to Gundam Wing with the dubs, I know how very differently the same scene can be played depending on the intonation. Plus, I saw Trigun as fansubs originally before I bought the DVDs and listening to it in English just feels wrong. And then there's the not inconsiderable point that Hayami Shou (Wolfwood) has one of the sexiest voices ever, and I'm such a voice whore. (Listen to 'Goodbye for Now' in Japanese, especially the scenes where Vash strips and Wolfwood tells Lina it's not her fault, and the later scene where he's trying to persuade Vash to go with him. He has this perfect degree of slight roughness to his voice like he's breathing through all the words. Pretty much my definition of audio sex *g*) Dub Wolfwood the bland tenor just does not cut it!
Japan has a lot of distinct regional dialects - it's more like England than the US in that you can travel from one city to another just 30 miles away and find obvious differences. Wolfwood speaks Kansai-ben, from western Japan, specifically the Osaka variant. It is a distinct accent in the pronunciation, I believe, but I don't have enough of an ear in Japanese to be able to pick that up myself. But like most regional dialects, it's not just the pronunciation - Kansai-ben uses words and phrases that standard Japanese doesn't, and has variations in the way sentences are structured and grammar is used. It's very slang-filled, which makes translating him something of a nightmare for me! Wolfwood speaks Kansai-ben in the manga, which is why they kept him that way for the anime.
Because of the strong yakuza associations with Osaka, the dialect carries certain connotations of gangsters - it would be kind of like making him a Sicilian, I guess. In England, he'd be something like a Cockney, with its overtones of East End gangsters. In fact Cockney works very well as a comparison, because of course the other association with Cockney speak is as a comic relief character, and Kansai-ben is used for that too. So when Wolfwood shows up speaking Kansai-ben and acting like an idiot, you can either take him at face value and assume he's more of the Trigun silliness, or you can start looking for the more sinister side to him. The accent's a way of dropping hints.
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Date: 2005-02-14 09:55 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-14 08:56 pm (UTC)I've never been impressed with anything by Urban Knights. Their yaoi Vash looks consistently all frail, pretty and 'Oh, Wolfwood!' from the scans on ebay, and the one book of theirs I ended up with from a batch buy was indeed like that. I'm not too surprised to see them producing other nauseating stuff.