HUMP! 2

Sep. 9th, 2006 06:48 pm
tiggymalvern: (porn? where?)
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Yes, it's porn-fest weekend in Seattle again with the screenings of the finalists in the second (and hopefully to remain annual!) amateur porn contest organised by The Stranger. Overall, a definite raise in quality this year, and the gay porn quota was a lot bigger, yay! Over twice as many showings this year as last year, and still the whole lot sold out within days.


There was still a mix of very obviously amateur stuff shot on camcorders and films by people who obviously had some kind of film background in the final, but there was nothing on quite the level of cheap and tacky that made it in last year - the screenings last time attracted a lot of attention to the event. Voting was even harder this year, since some of the entries were amazing, and you're only allowed to pick one film, and they're really not comparable - how do you judge something that's genuinely erotic against something that's side-splittingly funny? I wish they'd split it into Best Humorous and Best Serious, that would at least narrow it down for me....

Four of the fifteen finalists were still just bad porn, as dull and uninnovative as anything you could rent from an adult store with all the usual lengthy gynaecology close-ups and come-shots ::yawn::. And in some cases really bad porn - there's nothing erotic about watching a woman squeeze and scrape semen from her vagina after sex, not when it goes on for over thirty seconds, and at least twice in an eight minute film. The entire cinema was cringing. Nor is there anything hot about watching two men come into shot glasses and then two women drinking it. Retching noises audible all round at that one....

There were some that stood out just for shock value - 'Fucking Seattle' was a sequence of a couple performing sex acts in various public places around the city. I don't think I'll ever go within five feet of that statue of Jimi Hendrix again, and I certainly won't be able to look at it without flashbacks! And just how many times do you have to ride the monorail before you get a carriage to yourself?

But of the good stuff in there - oh, yay! 'Ignis Fatuus' was one of the most erotic pieces of film I have ever seen anywhere. Very very simple and not even terribly explicit, just a slow-mo piece of a couple in a shower. Beautifully shot and lit, with lots of stroking and water droplets so-slowly running across some rather nice body parts - absolutely gorgeous and clearly people with some real film-making talent. One of the hardest things seems to be to make stranger sex erotic for an observer, and this one did it in spades.

'Lawn Boy' was a gorgeous gay piece, with a man feeling neglected by his long-hours-working lover fantasising about the college kid who mows the lawn in just a pair of skimpy shorts. At first, he's shocked by his fantasies, rejecting them and the objects around the house that inspire them. Then he gives in, has the hot sex fantasy - and tells the lawn boy not to come by very often, and pounces on his lover when he gets home, dragging him into the bedroom by the tie :-) It managed to be by turn funny, sweet and erotic, a very tricky balance to hold, and it was beautifully shot. The guy doing the fantasising was very cute, with all these tousled blond curls. And when he stripped - HOLY COW! - this collective intake of breath went round the audience, and it was very obvious why he was the guy getting screwed and not giving it!

'Getting a Leg Up in Porn' was a mockumentary in the early 70s style - grainy film, washed out colours, stick-up-the-arse narrator - on how to become a safe and successful porn star. Screamingly funny stuff, with dire warnings about getting involved with disreputable types (girl tied down and blindfolded being threatened with a pitchfork!) and how to recognise STDs (with the aid of a peanut butter sandwich XD). Best of all was the section advising not to eat before filming, as the girl regurgitates while giving a blow job, and her partner promptly throws up all over her *g*. It sounds awful, but it was done with such cunning camera work, and it was such a brilliant pastiche of a government information film, the attention astounding in every detail in that one.

Those were the three I was horribly torn between, and in discussion afterwards, it turned out that two of the group each had voted for 'Lawn Boy' and 'Getting a Leg Up' and one for 'Ignis Fatuus', so I was very content with that eventual spread - it seemed fair. Couldn't have really got it better if we'd collaborated.

Others that deserve a special mention - 'Bois (Wood)', a voyeuristic gay piece where a man obsesses over a carpenter and is rejected because the carpenter only gets off on his work. It was shot all in sepia with lots of suggestion and nothing explicit, and some beautiful arty framing, but I felt it was rather spoiled by the pretentious (and badly spoken) French narration. 'Jacking Off' was done in stop-motion with two male action dolls, which is exactly what [livejournal.com profile] darthhellokitty said she'd do as an entry after seeing HUMP last year :-) 'Bo Logan' was a very funny piece, with the Seventies-style medallion man type picking up a girl in the condom aisle at the supermarket and trying to make her come - it succeeded in being cute as well as witty, if not exactly erotic.

ETA: 'Lawn Boy' came third, 'Getting a Leg Up in Porn' was second, and the Bo Logan piece won. I would only have ranked it around fifth. And no prize at all for the incredibly erotic shower scene :-(

Surprisingly, there were no f/f entries this year, which was something of a shame, as there were some cute ones last year. Obviously the m/m that was missing last year took over - hopefully they can get a balance of good entries for Round 3.

Sign me up again for next year already!



Some interesting discussions in a coffee shop afterwards, as the five of us tried to figure out where the hell some of the porn staples come from. Two straight men and three bi-flexible women with a liking for Teh Gay, and not one of us with any interest in prolonged gynaecology shots of either gender, in close-ups of blow jobs and accompanying drool, or in come-shots, especially come-shots on faces. Come up the nose or in the hair? EEEWWWWW!

I have to assume that kind of thing is aimed at men, the main consumers of porn, but I've yet to find a man either gay or straight who says any of the above works for him as erotica. So who are all the men who like it, that it's so ubiquitous in professional porn? It sure as hell puts me off spending my money, much as I like the theory of watching good porn.

Date: 2006-09-10 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] king-chiron.livejournal.com
Of course the worst part of the show was that I screwed up the times, was pretty sure I had bought tickets for the noon show but had apparently gotten tickets for the midnight show the previous night, although I still remember seeing "noon" when I bought them (as did other people in the same boat). But that turned out to be a not-so-bad-thing because we ended up chatting with the infamous Dan Savage who took pity on us and let us in anyway.

Date: 2006-09-10 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
I think you were a lot more stressed about that than we were XD But you didn't go on half so much as the other couple sharing a sofa with us. I'm glad we don't hang with people who whine like that! And of course [livejournal.com profile] darthhellokitty got to talk to one of her idols, so it's all good :-)

Date: 2006-09-10 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] king-chiron.livejournal.com
Oh, I was was stressed, I felt horrible about the screwup! And while I thought it said "noon" I'm fully prepared to accept that it was probably my mistake. Yeah, Dan turned out to be a really nice guy in real life.

Date: 2006-09-10 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] king-chiron.livejournal.com
...especially come-shots on faces

Actually, I can understand this a bit, it's transgressive (or at least it was at some point) and so it hits some buttons, like humiliation play lite. I don't have much interest in seeing it on film, although it doesn't actively bother me like snowballing/drooling.

Interesting that we didn't have any gay porn last year (just one bit of one film) so Dan made a big point of it and we ended up with several gay films. Now this year we get no lesbian porn, Dan said on the Stranger Blog there was just one lesbian entry, and it consisted of lesbian potatoes making out (!!), needless to say it didn't make the cuts. So people are asking about that and I'm hoping next year we'll get a bumper group of hot girl-girl sex!

Date: 2006-09-10 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaforme.livejournal.com
I don't really get the drool and come shots either. Come shots frustrate me--it's like they're interrupting the climax just so we can see the guy shoot. I'd rather see the guy really get swept away by his orgasm and come hard, which I think is very hot.

I agree about the f/f. I would have liked at least one hot lesbian vid in the mix. But I had a great time (Super giant cock. Super giant cock..

Date: 2006-09-10 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
it's like they're interrupting the climax just so we can see the guy shoot.

Exactly! I mean, how many guys in reality would pull out to come? It's so artificial, and obviously catering to a segment of the market that isn't me. It would be far more erotic to be able to believe the participants were actually enjoying the sex, not just following a script.

Date: 2006-09-10 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaforme.livejournal.com
how many guys in reality would pull out to come?

Teenaged (and not-so-teenaged) boys who are trying not to get you pregnant in the back seat of a car. ;-)

It would be far more erotic to be able to believe the participants were actually enjoying the sex

Wouldn't it though? It's really rare to see that quality in professional porn. You do see it some with amateurs, who are more likely to be real-life couples relaxed enough with each other to really get into the sex and enjoy it. Even a straightforward vanilla scene can be very hot if it feels like you're watching someone overcome with sexual pleasure.

Date: 2006-09-10 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Teenaged (and not-so-teenaged) boys who are trying not to get you pregnant

Yeah, because that really works, and is exactly the kind of image I find hot, and want invoked in my sexual fantasies!

Date: 2006-09-10 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] king-chiron.livejournal.com
Actually, I think it's more common in RL than you might think. Now maybe that's because people are copying what they've seen on film, but I've heard a fair number of people talk about liking it, and that's both male and female. Also heard plenty of people who hate it.

Date: 2006-09-11 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
I bow to superior knowledge XD Not that I can see the appeal from either side, but that's true of many things!

Date: 2006-09-11 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthhellokitty.livejournal.com
Remember that film we saw at SIFF, that had a part where the director interviewed a bunch of teen boys about what they liked to do sexually? They all said they came outside, and they all said it was because they'd seen it in porn so I guess they figured that was the "proper" way to do it.

For my porn, I prefer less secretions on-screen, and more interaction between people who clearly LIKE each other! XD

Date: 2006-09-11 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
I remember that, but I tend not to regard the choices of largely inexperienced young boys as representative of the population XD

Date: 2006-09-10 03:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
I can see it as a humilation thing, much the same as being peed on, but that wouldn't explain why it's so ubiquitous when watersports aren't. We'd have to be talking a minority of the population for that, certainly not enough to put it in so many porn flicks.

Maybe it's only well balanced, educated, chilled out guys who don't have any power issues with their SO's who don't go for facial come shots, which would explain why I don't know the people who do :-)
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Date: 2006-09-10 04:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Yeah, but hard-ons are at least natural and don't bugger the illusion, unlike pulling out to come.

You go with the theory that most porn-watchers are losers with no hope of getting laid, huh? If so, it would be self-fulfilling - porn is made for losers, so non-losers don't watch/buy it, so...

Hmmm, that would actually fit the facts.
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Date: 2006-09-10 06:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
So we're back to the self-fulfilling thing - 'this is the way it's always been done, so this is the way it should be done'.

Conservatism even in the porn industry - we really are all doomed ::sigh::

Date: 2006-09-10 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mistressrenet.livejournal.com
I suspect in some ways, the porn industry is the most conservative of all-- not socially but in terms of being reluctant to take risks.

Date: 2006-09-10 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Yeah, I guess if you're an industry with limited clientele, you'll stick with the customers you've got rather than try reaching out to new ones and possibly fail.

Sometimes I'm reminded to be very grateful that fandom comes for free with no money-grabbing behind it.

Date: 2006-09-10 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] king-chiron.livejournal.com
I think the mainstredam porn industry is just trying to serve the lowest common denominator, and they're finding that works fine. But there are specialty markets, films that are oriented toward couples or lesbian films made by real lesbians for lesbians, various fetishes, films with real couples with passion. But they're made by smaller companies that often can't afford to do much distribution or publicity.

Date: 2006-09-11 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
I know there are a few companies out there, but like you say, nobody gets to hear of them much. So therefore porn doesn't build the more mainstream, appreciative market that's potentially out there waiting for it, and will never get the chance at anything other than the dirty old men in macs image :-(

Found on the Stranger Blog

Date: 2006-09-10 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] king-chiron.livejournal.com
Dan Savage - My HUMP highlight so far: Getting to shake the hand of the man—or the hot gay boy, I should say—whose performance in “Lawnboy,” an audience favorite, inspired Bradley Steinbacher to write this HUMP capsule review:

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I know I'm over-commenting but I did want to share the best film review ever!


Re: Found on the Stranger Blog

Date: 2006-09-10 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
You know, I almost linked to that review in my post, but I couldn't find a link to it alone, only in the middle of a long article. So thanks!
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Date: 2006-09-10 04:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Straight people, gay guys, the reaction was pretty universal to the shot glasses. It almost gives me a little faith.

Seriously, the clientele of [livejournal.com profile] yaoi_daily have me completely convinced that women can be tasteless beyond all measure. The Gravi Remixes are among the worst things I've ever seen - how on earth can the mangaka commit those abominations upon her own characters? I love the characters I write about, and writing deliberate OOC assassinations like that would kill me. I lost any respect for the mangaka after seeing those.
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Date: 2006-09-10 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
If I'd cared about Gravi, I'd have had to weep at that stuff being 'canon'. Thank god Nightow has too much integrity to ever go there. You know that man loves his charas, even when he kills them.
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Date: 2006-09-10 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Bleach, yeah - the resurrections after near-deaths there are starting to bug. There's no tension at all in a story if you know there's never a risk of anyone dying in a permanent way, and the mangaka's who fritter that away lose all their story-telling power. Pity more of them don't realise that.

Date: 2006-10-02 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pretentioustfu.livejournal.com
Oh wow. Icon love. So much icon love. And word. *glomps and goes to read one of your fics*

Date: 2006-10-02 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Thanks! Some lyrics just seem to belong to some pairings....

Oh yeah.

Date: 2006-10-02 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pretentioustfu.livejournal.com
^_^ I once made a Hyde FST for Wolfwood=Vash. Though I'd rework it a bit now (add "It's Sad" or maybe "I Can Feel" from "Faith" and maybe drop one of the weaker-linked ones like "New Days Dawn" from "Roentgen" or "Masquerade" from "666"), but yeah, I can so see what you mean. ^_^

Re: Oh yeah.

Date: 2006-10-03 05:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
A friend sent me some Hyde once. I was generally unimpressed, so none of the above means anything to me....

Re: Oh yeah.

Date: 2006-10-03 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pretentioustfu.livejournal.com
Oh OK. I'm very sorry I seemed like a Jrock fanit there *apologizes profusely* Though I am thinking of a new FST with American singers, but it's not going very well because a lot of people have covered the same ground, and IMO Cephiedvariable has THE definitive American W=V FST.

But what are your thoughts on Gackt? *slaps self into submission*

Date: 2006-10-08 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 100101011.livejournal.com
i love the remixes! i think they're amazing and she's one of my favorite mangakas. but then i've never read gravitation.... hmmmmmm
they don't really seem that messed up to me, whereas porn (well, ya know, the traditional kind) freaks me out on all kinds of hellish levels ^_^
anyway every once in a while i peek at your lj cause i miss your v/w work :)

Date: 2006-10-08 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
If you haven't read the manga or seen the anime, I guess you won't get why it's all so massively OOC. A number of these people have Major Issues with each other and with relationships and sex in general, so all that random hot screwing really isn't going to be happening!

I miss Vash and Wolfwood too sometimes, but the Trigun fandom seems to have almost completely stagnated. Maybe if someone was still writing good stuff, it would drag my inspiration back out of Mexico for a while - I've got a couple of partial fics there I'd like to finish - but for now I still seem stuck.

Date: 2006-10-09 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 100101011.livejournal.com
i see i see :) ooc doesn't bother me, cause the work just turns into a new concept at that point. i mean, all fanfiction and doujinshi are ooc to some extent, because it never happened in the original artist's vision...so...
but as long as it's worthwhile, i'm happy

i know what you mean, trigun fandom is dead... so sad ;_;

Date: 2006-10-10 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
all fanfiction and doujinshi are ooc to some extent, because it never happened in the original artist's vision...so...

But I do tend to see doujinshi by the mangaka herself as canonical in most cases - there's a big difference there from any fan's efforts. So Youka Nitta's and Mika Sadahiro's doujinshi of their own characters I run with as 'real'.

In the case of the Gravi doujinshi, I can only boggle in horror. Mostly, as a writer, I boggle that the mangaka has so little reverence for her own characters that she can do that to them 0_0

Date: 2006-10-10 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 100101011.livejournal.com
hehe well that's just the vision of her sexuality :) yaoi, when i read it, is less about actual characters and more about the mangaka herself, it's very personal to read and see
it doesn't bother me, but to some extent i'm really a pervert >^^

Date: 2006-10-10 05:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Oh, yeah, there's inevitably something of an author going into her work. It doesn't worry me - it doesn't stop me, and I know you can infer some of my life philosophies and some particular details of my sex life from my fics, and hey, some of what people guess at will even be true XD

I'm not against the mangaka writing that style of stuff in any way, but couldn't she have written it for some different OCs instead of those beloved angsty guys? ::whimper::

Date: 2006-10-10 06:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 100101011.livejournal.com
aww
once again, i'm glad i haven't read gravi.. and now i plan to avoid it for the rest of my life :D
yeah, i definitely get a sense of your sexual style from your fics. of course, i never really thought you'd be into porn, so i guess i didn't infer *everything*

Date: 2006-10-10 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
of course, i never really thought you'd be into porn

What, you thought I'd be an uptight, repressed school-marm prude? ;-)

I'm not actually terribly into visual porn. I find most of it excruciatingly dull. Which isn't the same thing as saying I wouldn't like to be into porn if it was fun and interesting. Hey, if people made the kind of porn that I like to write, with hot guys and characterisation and a plot wrapped around the smut, I'd be there so fast! But most filmed porn seems to be all humping and cliched groaning and close-up cock shots - a bit like most written porn really :-(

Date: 2006-10-11 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 100101011.livejournal.com
ahh :)
yeah, that makes sense. someday, somebody really needs to make some porn like that.

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