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Chapter Two - Separate Ways


Sumire's full translation is here.

Page 38. Knives has passed out. Vash is looking seriously rough, and doing some thinking.


Page 40. Vash is deciding that Plants are nothing like humans, while Rem yells at them to open the door.


Page 42. After Rem breaks in with a welding torch, Vash accuses her of planning to continue with them where the experiments on Tessla left off, and he goes on hunger strike.


Page 44. Rem explains she didn't try hard enough to stop what happened to Tessla. Vash says he would rather die than live with humans.


Page 46. Rem continues to try and persuade Vash to eat, peeling fruit for him.


Page 47. Vash grabs the knife and goes to stab himself. Rem tries to stop him, clutching the blade.


Page 48. Rem disapproves of suicide.


Page 49. Vash drags the knife from her hand and stabs her with it.


Pages 50. Doesn't he look quite the little psycho? He's glad about it.


Pages 52-3. Then he looks at the knife and his bloody hands and has a very sudden change of heart, screaming as he drops to his knees beside Rem.


Page 54. Rem wakes up in the hospital, where Vash has patched her up.


Page 57. Rem's dream of the ticket with no stated destination.


Page 60. Rem starts crying at the the thought of her kids killing themselves, and insists not all people are horrible.


Page 63. Knives wakes up all smiling and happy, and doesn't appear to remember anything. Uh oh....


Vash here is really freaky. He goes from cute kid to happy trippy psycho in very short order, then flips back again with equal speed. Ah, the Vash we know and love right here from such an early age.... I love how just the way his eyes are drawn ages his face in such a dramatic way when they go all narrow and calculating.
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Date: 2005-04-20 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Rem comes over an awful lot better in the manga than she does as the space hippy in the anime, and that's a combination of a couple of things, I think. One is that we see more of her, and more of her being genuinely brave and determined rather than just idealistic. And the second is that Vash's devotion to her in the manga is nothing like so blind. He takes her ideals and applies his own perspective, instead of just idolising her every word. That puts a much better cast on Rem herself, since in the anime both of them are so obviously wrong.

Vash is layered and complex and amazing. And Nightow can come pretty damn close, oh yeah. I love the way he never takes the simple approach.

Date: 2005-04-21 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arafel.livejournal.com
Rem comes over an awful lot better in the manga than she does as the space hippy in the anime

Oh hell yes. In the anime, I was glad when the starship exploded. In the manga, she's a much more likable and kickass lady. But, as you say, in the manga we get so much more time with all of the characters.

Date: 2005-04-21 08:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Except the insurance girls. I think they lose out a bit overall.

Date: 2005-04-22 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaina.livejournal.com
SPACE! HIPPY! That must be iconned.

Date: 2005-04-22 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Let me see the results XD

Date: 2005-04-20 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] techno4tomcats.livejournal.com
This chapter explains so much about why Vash is the way he is in both the manga and the anime. Hmm. Insight.
I agree with 'Mcgoth, this really gives Rem a chance to stand out for herself.

Date: 2005-04-21 08:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Yeah, we see so much of anime!Rem looking smiling and happy and not so much of her being gritty. Vash is such a brat here, but being a Plant makes him a very dangerous brat and Rem doesn't give at all.

Date: 2005-04-21 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthhellokitty.livejournal.com
Wow, little!Vash is definitely a troubled kid. Although he *would* be, obviously. Poor widdle thing.

Date: 2005-04-21 08:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
You still think it would be nice to have a couple of cute little Plant kiddies? XD
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Date: 2005-04-21 08:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
The smile when he stabs Rem, that narrow-eyed watchfulness before he grabs the knife. Not a kid I'd want to spend too much time around, not in that mood.

Knives did take a long while to wake up. That's one of those oddities I just put down to him being a Plant.

Date: 2005-04-21 10:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yma2.livejournal.com
I think that might be one of my favorite issues yet. I love how he's drawn Vash. But don't you think that, in the bottom left pannel of page 44, Vash looked JUST like Knives! I mean really! He very much gets across about how Vash and Knives are really very alike here, but Vash kinda... deals with it I suppose. Knives never does...
Anyway, this was brillant! I'd wanted to see this issue for so long, thanks for posting it!!! (See, I'm so enhused I did THREE exclimation marks!)

Date: 2005-04-21 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Vash's expressions and looks are very Knives-like in several places here, yeah. But, hey, they're meant to look alike, so make them both psychos and look what happens! The surprising thing a lot of the time is how different Nightow makes the two of them look despite the same basic face structure.

Date: 2005-04-21 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yma2.livejournal.com
Good point. One of the things I think I'd like to see is Knives happy. As in Vash happy, for just one pannel, as an adult. I'd like to see if he looks like Vash in the sameway Vash looks like Knives when he's pissed. You know? But yeah, Nightow is very talented like that.

Date: 2005-04-21 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Yeah, we get to see Knives smile, but never in a nice way. Not exactly the same thing....

Date: 2005-04-21 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glass-bullet.livejournal.com
It's funny, because if nightow had started off with this issue, I would have been able to tell who was going to go crazy, stay sane, and that Rem was going to die. (And just with seeing the first two chapters, omg.) Honestly, you never recover from things like that, and its no wonder Vash is so Rem-obsessed and Knives is plant-saving-human-massacring obsessed.


Date: 2005-04-21 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
It's very creepy and suggestive at the end there where Knives wakes up all smiley happy.

[livejournal.com profile] angstymcgoth has been pimping me music XD
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From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
I love the way Nightow plays around with expectations. He never likes to do things the obvious way XD. But yeah, the stabbing is very much a scared, angry kid lashing out reaction, and not something Vash is going to repeat.

I'm assuming anyone who doesn't want to be spoiled will stop reading right here.

Wolfwood and Chapel are two separate people in the manga, as they are in the anime, though Wolfwood spent a while going by the name Chapel for reasons of his own. For a while it looks as if Wolfwood actually is Chapel, but then it turns out he's not XD.

So I'm not sure exactly who you're talking about, but the answer's basically the same in either case! By the end of TriMax 10, Wolfwood is definitely dead. Chapel is not confirmed dead, as in we don't see anyone check his pulse and then bury him, but he's almost certainly dead. The only one still running around fighting for Vash by the end of TriMax 11 is Wolfwood's old friend Livio.
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From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
I wish they'd made Rem in the anime more like Rem in the manga.

Yep! She's such a non-entity in the anime. But I don't wish it half so much as I wish anime!Vash had more of manga!Vash in him. The animators took away so much of his complexity and made him implausibly idealistic for a man who'd been through so much for so long. He comes across as excessively blind and simplistic in the show. *sigh*

Wolfwood is Wolfwood, and Chapel is the man who trained him, just as he was in the anime. But manga!Chapel has absolutely no redeeming features whatsoever, unlike the anime version. Wolfwood and Chapel both bite the dust in TriMax 10.

Date: 2005-04-21 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sara-tsuzuki.livejournal.com
Yeah, is better for the mental health the vash reaction, to show the pain and the angry, than do the Knives thing, to pretend that nothing happened .

Date: 2005-04-21 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Yeah. It helps too that Vash was already the more secure of the two kids. He's in a better position emotionally to deal with the possibility of humans being nasty to him.

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